Lost is a Mind Game

[losty09]

Every time we think we have something nailed, the answer is exactly the opposite.

we spend so much time trying ti figure out "what we missed" in the pilot, but we go around in circles. Because wew don't know where to draw the line. What detail is to small? What clue is too obvious?

And why do we all subconsiously side with Jack, the man of science? WE all speculate, and we all come up with these theories about dharma and experiments and why they are really on the island. But what about locke, the man of faith? What if fate brought them to the island? What if it is all the doings of the island, and has nothing to do with science in the end? (that would be disappointing, i know).

what i'm saying is, this show is about science and faith. About how they oppose each other, but also about how they co exist. But one thing is certain. Even if it is not such a large part, faith still plays a role. Because these two form a yin yang type of thing. Seperate but together. Opposites, but two parts of a whole.

So i am saying that i think the flaw with all our theories, is that we don't include faith. And it really has to be part if the answers, because of the basic themeimg of the show. What will the role of fate ultimately be? Because the answers to everything can't be purely science.

So discuss. What are your thoughts on all this? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Red Matrix]

What a great point! Remember when Locke lost his faith in the button? He was penalized. He believed the propaganda and got hurt.

I say we go back to faith today.

[losty09]

Originally Posted by Red Matrix

What a great point! Remember when Locke lost his faith in the button? He was penalized. He believed the propaganda and got hurt.

I say we go back to faith today.

that's true, but that's not necessarily what i'm saying. It's not a choice between faith and science. It's how they depend on each other, work together to form what happens.

The thing is, all our theories are purely science based, and that is a direct contradiction of the basic theming of the show. The whole thing is about science and faith together. Everyone forgets about faith/fate.

Anyone have any thought s on what role faith/ fate will play in the answers to the show?

I mean one thing that a lot of people think is that the crash was a setup. Because Jack landed in the middle of a grove of very close together bamboo, charlie should have been in the front section, and so should cindy. The crash placement is definatley off. So yea, it looks like a set up.

But IMHO, they landed where they did to make the show interesting. I do not think the crash was a set up.

And it has been "explained" that the crash happened because of the EM. But i think its a very sketchy explanation, it seems to leave room for a lot of doubt. I think they made it so filled with room for doubt so that is can still be a possibility that the thing crashed because of fate. I beleive the producers deliberately left that open to the viewer, so its all about your perspective. It could after all be a total coincidence that it crashed on the same day as what happened in the hatch

so this is another example of the show's mind games. They leave these things sort of open for interperation. You have to choose what you believe. You have to decide whether it is your personal opinion that they crashed because of science or fate, or IMHO, a combination of the two.

[Lpspider]

Excellent post!

I completely agree with you, and I think I see your point. Basically, the show contains both elements of science and faith and/or fate. I know you're post was more centered on faith, but I think fate (which is still related) plays more of a role. My personal opinion is that fate is going to play a big role. I think Lost has a role that is heavily centered on fate, perhaps even the spiritual.

I think we have to realize that not everything in life has a rational explanation, and that's the same with Lost: not everything in Lost will have a rational explanation. Is it fate? Perhaps. But regardless, it will take a bit of faith to accept.

[losty09]

thanks. And i agree with the fact that its about fate as well. I sort of meant both, but didn't specify. Thanks, and i agree.

[losty09]

you know its interesting, i always thought of ecko as the man of faith, and locke the man of fate.

but in the season 2 dvds, (can't remember exactly where) They comment that locke is a man of faith, but his faith is slightly more paganistic (i disagree witht that label, for the record) and ritualistic. He believes in the ruling power that is the island, and whatever forces are at work there.

I thought that would go in this thread, while i'm on the topic of faith.

[Red Matrix]

I think there are three categories then..

Science (doctor)
Faith (priest)
Fate (pragmatics)

[losty09]

yea that seems about right red matrix. i have been messing up my mind trying to think of possible explanations to the show's mysteries that encompass both faith and science, and man its hard. this is part of why i love the show so much. it really makes you think, and question it. Most people want their cheap entertainment in the form of reality tv. they don't want to think. i on the other hand love shows/movies that engage the viewer and make them wuestion everything and try to answer the questions that come up.

anywho, still trying to think. please post if you have any ideas about this.

[ObsessedWithSawyer13]

Originally Posted by losty09

what i'm saying is, this show is about science and faith. About how they oppose each other, but also about how they co exist. But one thing is certain. Even if it is not such a large part, faith still plays a role. Because these two form a yin yang type of thing. Seperate but together. Opposites, but two parts of a whole.

i completly agree w/ you on that. it makes sense that they would throw in 2 opposites to throw us off and make us think one thing or the other, when really they are just one. Plus when you throw in fate, it seems like they're trying to throw ppl off.

[losty09]

hmm. not a popular thread i see. i guess this is one of those sites where people would rather discuss who should hook up witih who