What's your gender?

[ghostman]

Originally Posted by kermit

alright alright, fair enough! all i was trying to say was that i dislike and disagree with your generalization about women and "sophisticated shows like lost", we're now careening off on other things. generalizations exist, and there's a reason why they all came to be, but that doesn't mean they're all true. there's always been a lot of double standards about men and women, and while some of it is valid (women and men do have a lot of differences, physically and otherwise), i feel that your statement was false and offensive. end of story, let's talk about lost now?

I understand that. Not everyone is the same. Generalizations are offensive if you're in the small minority that doesn't pertain to the generalization. However, I'm not here to be politically correct. Nor am I saying all of my beliefs are factual. But it's absolutely true that women in general perceive Lost and SciFi as something for "nerds" or "losers," while they flip the channel to My Super Sweet Sixteen and The Ashlee Simpson Show...

[kermit]

Originally Posted by ghostman

I understand that. Not everyone is the same. Generalizations are offensive if you're in the small minority that doesn't pertain to the generalization. However, I'm not here to be politically correct. Nor am I saying all of my beliefs are factual. But it's absolutely true that women in general perceive Lost and SciFi as something for "nerds" or "losers," while they flip the channel to My Super Sweet Sixteen and The Ashlee Simpson Show...

you really love digging holes eh :P i think you're just baiting me lol... i'm curious why you classify lost as sci-fi and nerdy. i wouldn't expect a lot of women to like star trek (although i'm often surprised to find out how many watched tng religiously), but lost isn't really your traditional sci-fi tv show... for tv, when you say sci-fi, people think lasers and fake techno-babble and cheesey costumes heheh... lost has a lot of drama, and relationship exploration, and character development, and action, and mystery, and a healthy smattering of sci-fi... really it has something for everyone

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by ghostman

But it's absolutely true that women in general perceive Lost and SciFi as something for "nerds" or "losers," while they flip the channel to My Super Sweet Sixteen and The Ashlee Simpson Show...

sorry mate but im gonna burst ur bubble here again, i hate the ashlee simpson show and iv never even heard of my super sweet sixteen, again i dont agree with waht your saying. lost isnt considered scifi and as something for nerds or losers by any female i know including me (obviously). i think you need to try and actually talk 2 a few more women before you generalise. next you will be saying that no woman can like football and shouldnt drink beer.

[ghostman]

Originally Posted by kermit

you really love digging holes eh :P i think you're just baiting me lol... i'm curious why you classify lost as sci-fi and nerdy. i wouldn't expect a lot of women to like star trek (although i'm often surprised to find out how many watched tng religiously), but lost isn't really your traditional sci-fi tv show... for tv, when you say sci-fi, people think lasers and fake techno-babble and cheesey costumes heheh... lost has a lot of drama, and relationship exploration, and character development, and action, and mystery, and a healthy smattering of sci-fi... really it has something for everyone

It's primarily classified as scifi.

See, your generalization (here we go again) of SciFi is what gives women the perception that the genre was strictly created for mere nerds. Every single woman (over 2 dozen) - except 2 that just didn't care - I've dated have perceived my penchant for Fantasy/SciFi to be unattractive or childish. One of my profound memories is when I was approaching a very beautiful women of 25. She was always reading books so I knew she had to be on the bright side. Once I revealed to her that I enjoyed SciFi, she told me she wasn't into humans giving birth to aliens. I tried to explain but she simply brushed me off. It was over before I knew it.

You argue that SciFi is not for nerds, yet you contradict yourself by implying Lost - a scifi TV series - is not the "traditional SciFi." It's as if you're subconsciously concealing the fact that you're enjoying a scifi series. Instead you try and find different genres to label it. There are scifi/fantasy films (Gattaca, Lord of the Rings, Serenity, X-Men, Batman Begins, etc) and TV shows (Angel, Buffy, Firefly, Battlestar, etc) that involve mystery, action, drama, relationship exploration, etc. But the general perception, especially in women, is if a show is good, it can't be SciFi. And once you tell them it is, they either quit watching it or say something to the effect of, "Well this is different... " Sure, there are crappy SciFi shows, but don't pigeonhole the genre. Sadly, I've tried to make the same argument with many a women, but they just brush it off like I've got an issue and they move on with their shopping spree, celebrity gossip and MTV"s Laguna Beach. I understand that there are a very few women who do enjoy and appreciate SciFi, and bless their souls for it, but I'm speaking generally.

[ghostman]

Originally Posted by Michelle

sorry mate but im gonna burst ur bubble here again, i hate the ashlee simpson show and iv never even heard of my super sweet sixteen, again i dont agree with waht your saying. lost isnt considered scifi and as something for nerds or losers by any female i know including me (obviously). i think you need to try and actually talk 2 a few more women before you generalise. next you will be saying that no woman can like football and shouldnt drink beer.

I'm not arguing that "no woman" likes SciFi or "no woman" enjoys football or beer drinking. Women are just as into beer, as men are, from my experience. I'm just speaking in general terms. It's something that I assume and assume rightfully, unless I'm proven wrong.

Michelle, whether you're going to stop watching the series now or not, Lost is a SciFi show. Face the facts or live in denial.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by ghostman

Michelle, whether you're going to stop watching the series now or not, Lost is a SciFi show. Face the facts or live in denial.

hey i love lost scifi or not i dont care its a great show, and i like most scifi star trek, star wars, the matrix, minority report, the lord of the rings, iv seen the lot and loved them all. and still i dont think its nerdy or for losers, plus i still dont no many women who think this? maybe the women u know might but i just dont think you should generalise they way you do, give us women more credit we are not all the same.

[kermit]

Originally Posted by ghostman

It's primarily classified as scifi.

See, your generalization (here we go again) of SciFi is what gives women the perception that the genre was strictly created for mere nerds. Every single woman (over 2 dozen) - except 2 that just didn't care - I've dated have perceived my penchant for Fantasy/SciFi to be unattractive or childish. One of my profound memories is when I was approaching a very beautiful women of 25. She was always reading books so I knew she had to be on the bright side. Once I revealed to her that I enjoyed SciFi, she told me she wasn't into humans giving birth to aliens. I tried to explain but she simply brushed me off. It was over before I knew it.

You argue that SciFi is not for nerds, yet you contradict yourself by implying Lost - a scifi TV series - is not the "traditional SciFi." It's as if you're subconsciously concealing the fact that you're enjoying a scifi series. Instead you try and find different genres to label it. There are scifi/fantasy films (Gattaca, Lord of the Rings, Serenity, X-Men, Batman Begins, etc) and TV shows (Angel, Buffy, Firefly, Battlestar, etc) that involve mystery, action, drama, relationship exploration, etc. But the general perception, especially in women, is if a show is good, it can't be SciFi. And once you tell them it is, they either quit watching it or say something to the effect of, "Well this is different... " Sure, there are crappy SciFi shows, but don't pigeonhole the genre. Sadly, I've tried to make the same argument with many a women, but they just brush it off like I've got an issue and they move on with their shopping spree, celebrity gossip and MTV"s Laguna Beach. I understand that there are a very few women who do enjoy and appreciate SciFi, and bless their souls for it, but I'm speaking generally.

tldr. can we move on now?

[ghostman]

Originally Posted by kermit

tldr. can we move on now?

Didn't know you were the type that lowballed. I come on forums to discuss an assortment of subjects and engage in friendly arguments, but if that's not the case for you, I'm boggled as to why you come on forums...

[ghostman]

Originally Posted by Michelle

hey i love lost scifi or not i dont care its a great show, and i like most scifi star trek, star wars, the matrix, minority report, the lord of the rings, iv seen the lot and loved them all. and still i dont think its nerdy or for losers, plus i still dont no many women who think this? maybe the women u know might but i just dont think you should generalise they way you do, give us women more credit we are not all the same.

I understand you're not all the same, and I give you a lot of credit Michelle. It's just women in general. Of course, excluding you.

[kermit]

Originally Posted by ghostman

Didn't know you were the type that lowballed. I come on forums to discuss an assortment of subjects and engage in friendly arguments, but if that's not the case for you, I'm boggled as to why you come on forums...

i'm just tired of talking about it. the truth is, arguing about this kind of thing on a forum is an exercise in futility. you have valid points, i have valid points, neither of us is going to change our opinions. i just don't feel like talking about this anymore. i don't generally come on forums for this very reason, i always end up in some overlong discussion like this and it always leaves a bad taste in the mouths of all parties. apparently noone other than the three of us really cares to carry this conversation on, anyways, which is a clear sign it shouldn't be taking place on this thread, or forum.