Gay Marriage

[~annie~]

dont believe in polygamy but it's still accepted in some places. I dont think a man should be allowed to marry his daughter but I suspect its ok in some parts of the world too; I don't know.

I don't think you can quite compare gay marriage to marrying a blood relation....

I don't see how it hurts people per say, I can see how it would offend many people, but so many things do! Everyone has something that offends them, it's impossible to keep everybody happy, you just have to think what's best for the majority, I suppose.

Anyway, I pick up on my earlier point, what was considered wrong 100 years ago could be seen as completely normal now! Things change, opinions change, so I don't see why the opinions on gay marriage wont.
I think it will become legal, just maybe not tomorrow.

[losty09]

here's how i see. (i told myself entering this discussion is only looking for trouble, but here goes.

I am strongly in favor of gay rights, because frankly, being against them is prejudiced. It is not accepting people based on an aspect of their character that you disagree with. That doesn't mean i am not going to like any of you any more You are all lovely people, really, i just disagree with you. First you lash out and keep gay marriage illegal, then what's next? What group do you go after now?

can you explain to me how a gay couple being married hurts you? Because if you stay out of their business, it shouldn't affect you. It may offend you, but so does someone smoking right next to me, and that is not going to change either.

Everyone is supposed to have certain rights, yes? Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that? Well, denying gay marriage is denying these rights. THey can't pursue happiness because they can't pursue love, they can't like a full life.

And, well, this really should not be a political issue, because it is more an issue of personal beliefs and religion. that is why no one can agree. There is supposed to be a seperation from church and state, but how can there be if people (and government officials) reject gay rights and use religious reasons to support that? And we all know that that "seperation" has been shot because President Bush claims that G-d talks to him and tells him to go to war. I am jewish, and i don't want Christian ideas running my country. Okay, that was a wee bit off topic. So this really shouldn't be a political issue, but a religious one. Therefore, i don't think the state should have the authority to deny/grant marriages to gay couples

oh, and i would add that describing it as freaky behavior....well.... a lot of marriages are more freaky than that. My dog, now his behavior is freaky. I happen to know a lot of lesbian people, my coaches are lesbian and married, and they are not as you say "freaky". They are perfectly normal people, thank you very much.

Anyway, just expressing my opinion. don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and all.

[IThinkICrashedYourPlane]

Right on LOSTY!!!!!!!!!!

[Red Matrix]

Losty, are you saying that Gay Marriage should be court-legal, but stay Church illegal?
Is it like saying a hetro couple gets married in front of a Justice of the Peace, but not in front of a

man

, err, person of the cloth; yet it's perfectly legal? Cuz if that's what you're saying, I could digress.

[losty09]

i am saying that the government, by its very nature, has no right to say who can and cannot get married. And the fact that it has that right is slightly unconstitutional. I don't know how the church wants to handle that or whatever, i mean i don't know where it goes after that. Simply saying that religious ideas cannot run laws.

EDIT well whad'ya know, . the policy that murder is a crime is a religious ideal, so, i guess i have to retract that statement. although, still..... those quotes from ithinkicrashedyourplane....

but! I stand by the statement that the government, by its very nature, has no right to say who can and cannot get married. And the fact that it has that right is slightly unconstitutional.

*tip toes quietly back to the lost discussion*

[IThinkICrashedYourPlane]

giving homophobes right over the hand of marraige (and that is all bush is, a homophobe) is like giving a bigot the right over whether a black and white couple could get married. the way that you are implying that we live in not allowing a person to do something because of who they are is like revierting to not letting black people drink from the same water fountain as white people. Its racism.... plain and simple

[losty09]

hahaha i think we should have organized debates haha

you now get one post to tell us your thoughts. then there will be a posted rebuttle. 2 posts of argument and then a post to wrap up your thoughts.

hahahaha.

see, this is why i generally stay away from political threads. i feel like i am shouting at people who only seek to disprove my arguments, not consider them. i am not saying that is what you are doing, just that that is what it feels like. Political threads are a muddy pool of insults. I shouldn't even read these threads haha, they only lead to myself and others being offended. i think i shall go into retirement

*gets a pension plan and sits under the tree of lost theories, sipping lemonade.* ahh, much better

[cassiel]

We seem to be coming back to the government vs church in law-making again. It's a thin line. In some countries, murder is wrong, however, killing someone in the name of Allah/God is ok as long as that person is denounced in His eyes. This is an age-old conundrum which has seen aeons of bloodshed and prejudice unchecked by any law man could ever make.

I am a non-Muslim living in a Muslim country and recently I've had to see the primary political party (which happens to be Muslim) host its annual assembly and shout out racial threats and wave sharp weapons and promise blood to anyone who would take away their self-given rights bestowed via a long-past-due-expiry economic policy which favors Muslims.

How this relates to Gay marriages is this: religion and politics dont mix well. Faith vesus Reason. Man of Faith vs Man of Science.

I think we should all agree to disagree and go sit under that tree with losty and count down the damn weeks until the damn show is back on again.

[losty09]

Originally Posted by cassiel

I think we should all agree to disagree and go sit under that tree with losty and count down the damn weeks until the damn show is back on again.

there's a spot right here for you.

*hands cassiel a drink*

oh weeks, you pass so slow. Oh lost, how i miss thee!

[JRW-910]

Originally Posted by cassiel

We seem to be coming back to the government vs church in law-making again. It's a thin line. In some countries, murder is wrong, however, killing someone in the name of Allah/God is ok as long as that person is denounced in His eyes. This is an age-old conundrum which has seen aeons of bloodshed and prejudice unchecked by any law man could ever make.

I am a non-Muslim living in a Muslim country and recently I've had to see the primary political party (which happens to be Muslim) host its annual assembly and shout out racial threats and wave sharp weapons and promise blood to anyone who would take away their self-given rights bestowed via a long-past-due-expiry economic policy which favors Muslims.

How this relates to Gay marriages is this: religion and politics dont mix well. Faith vesus Reason. Man of Faith vs Man of Science.

I think we should all agree to disagree and go sit under that tree with losty and count down the damn weeks until the damn show is back on again.

Nicely stated! Unfortunately religion and politics cross paths on a daily basis and its left to interpretation where the line is drawn between the two.

-JRW