Desmond's Time Travel

[losty09]

well here are my thoughts, finally, in word form.

Desmond did not physically go back in time. His subconscious traveled back, reliving the period of time in which he most regreted his actions. The woman was really the island entering into his sunbconscious thoughts, guiding him along so that he made no mistakes and made no changes.

Desmond cannot change fate. Fate is a predetermined purpose or large event, which is unchangable. He can, however change the future, which is ever changing. If my fate is to die, for example, i can prolong that death up to a certain point, but i cannot change the fact that i will die. Ultimately, if it is my fate, it will happen. However, if i am desmond and see myself eating cornflakes for breakfast tomorrow, i can change that and eat cheerios instead, because that is the future, not fate. Esentially the episode seemed to be suggesting that, no matter what desmond did in his past, something would lead to his split with penny and his arrival upon the island. Whether he prolonged it for a day, a week, or a month, it would still happen. Therefore, charlie's death can be prolonged, but cannot ultimately be stopped.

however, i don't think the producers would kill someone after stating they would die. It's anticlimactic, and it isn't like them. So obviously the show's major theme includes fate, and perhaps a way in which fate can be changed. On the other hand ,that is a contradicition of terms. If it is fate, then it is unchangable. That's where it gets murky

[OuTrAgE]

Originally Posted by losty09

well here are my thoughts, finally, in word form.

Desmond did not physically go back in time. His subconscious traveled back, reliving the period of time in which he most regreted his actions. The woman was really the island entering into his sunbconscious thoughts, guiding him along so that he made no mistakes and made no changes.

Desmond cannot change fate. Fate is a predetermined purpose or large event, which is unchangable. He can, however change the future, which is ever changing. If my fate is to die, for example, i can prolong that death up to a certain point, but i cannot change the fact that i will die. Ultimately, if it is my fate, it will happen. However, if i am desmond and see myself eating cornflakes for breakfast tomorrow, i can change that and eat cheerios instead, because that is the future, not fate. Esentially the episode seemed to be suggesting that, no matter what desmond did in his past, something would lead to his split with penny and his arrival upon the island. Whether he prolonged it for a day, a week, or a month, it would still happen. Therefore, charlie's death can be prolonged, but cannot ultimately be stopped.

however, i don't think the producers would kill someone after stating they would die. It's anticlimactic, and it isn't like them. So obviously the show's major theme includes fate, and perhaps a way in which fate can be changed. On the other hand ,that is a contradicition of terms. If it is fate, then it is unchangable. That's where it gets murky

I like that theory. But, if that's the case, how did Desmond know what was going to happen in the future? How does he know Charlie's going to die?

[losty09]

because apparently, he is getting flashes of the future. He can see charlie's fate, which is to die. He can see it, he can prolong it, but he can't change it. Or so it seems.

[OuTrAgE]

But how is he getting flashes of the future? (rhetorical).

I honestly don't know what to make of it. I keep jumping back and forth as to what I think actually happened.

Maybe the implosion of the hatch gave them all special abilites and Desmond's the first to discover it? Maybe the island gave them all special abilites (Locke can now walk, Rose is cured) and the hatch was somehow blocking Desmond's ability to see the future.

I'm just rambling. I honestly have no clue what's going on. And worst of all, it will probably be awhile until we know.

[losty09]

again, i think he was reborn in a sense, with the capability of going back and having a second chance, but the island aka the jeweler creepy lady swayed his opinions in his subconscious. Take a look at my last post in the "lost is a mind game" thread for my complete thoughts, i explained it in detail there.

[OuTrAgE]

Just read it. If you don't mind, I have a few questions...
You think Desmond "died" but was reborn and given another chance thanks to the island. Desmond had his chance, but the jewelry lady convinced him to follow his old past and make the same "mistakes" again, thus leading him to the same outcome?

Now I'm not doubting or questioning you, I'm just trying to understand it.

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[losty09]

RM, what are you smoking?

and yea outrage, that's pretty much it i guess.

[cas226]

GROUNDHOG DAY!!!

Somehow he is looping himself over and over...remembering small points about past lives / experiences to make them better. At some point though, he changes the one thing that allows him to break the cycle.

He has done it a lot... "See you in another life, brother". He knows each time he turns the key, he goes back....or that is his chance to go back and have it all done right. He wakes up in the jungle, and knows he did not do something right...

OR....

Each time he suffers a brain injury, some kind of electric brain impulses / neurons / synapses etc takes him back to a part of the loop. The explosion always takes him back... but getting smacked in the head by the cricket bat maybe took him more forward...idk...

Could it all deal with the island, electromagnetic charges from the island, and brain electricity?

In the end, something has happened where Penny wants to find him...end of Season 2.

OK...enough rambling....thoughts?

[Shardas]

Watching the episode, I think Desmond thought he was back in England and had a second chance again with Penny. Then somehow he realized that it was his subconcious that brought him back. My question is, how did the jewelry lady know that he was coming back and tell him not buy the ring? I was quite confused but it is interesting to see how sometimes we wish that we all could go back and correct our mistakes. The last time I saw Penny is when she communicated with the porteguese men in the airplane. Will they ever find the island and there will be a reunion.