premiere discussion thread

[articman]

Originally Posted by Mrbugs

I was curious about how Julie learned so much about Jack in the file? That means that "the others" have access outside the island. Could it just mean that "the others" are part of some government experiment and the plane crash may be threatening the security of the project? I feel like the show throws in alot of curve balls to throw you off...

I had a theory.... Don't you think that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were druged and then interogated. They might note remember it. What she knew of Jack really wasn't that much info. She just led him to believe this. He could have been drugged and they used what info they had on him from someone else or what he might have revealed. If you remember the opening the leader of the others sent people out to recon them. They knew nothing about them at this time. How would they all of a sudden know all this info on them. I think it is another ploy to mislead and misdirect them.

[Mrbugs]

Good point Arcticman, I didnt even think of that. The only problem is, Jack was never really close with Ethan or the other guy (forget his name). Of course, it is an "island" and gossip may travel fast!
Also, your right, they were shot with a needle so who knows what happended while the drugs were working. I just keep thinking about WHY they reacted to the plane crash the way they did...people react by HELPING during tragedy, not the opposite....unless they have something important to protect-beyond the island.

[toeny]

I just found this forum and have a feeling that I may be here rather frequently now. It is very possible that the captives don't remember their interrogations because Claire couldn't remember any of what happend during her time of captivity.

Also does anyone else think that perhaps in their quest for utopia and experiments with the animals that they may have give some gene altering formula to the others? Ethan kicked the crap out of Jack like he was superman, Julliet knocked Jack out in a single punch. And Julliet also eluded to the fact that "it's not who we were, but rather who we have become" Isn't it very possible that the others have hand picked the captives to become functional members of the other society?

GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

[Mrbugs]

Originally Posted by toeny

I just found this forum and have a feeling that I may be here rather frequently now. It is very possible that the captives don't remember their interrogations because Claire couldn't remember any of what happend during her time of captivity.

Also does anyone else think that perhaps in their quest for utopia and experiments with the animals that they may have give some gene altering formula to the others? Ethan kicked the crap out of Jack like he was superman, Julliet knocked Jack out in a single punch. And Julliet also eluded to the fact that "it's not who we were, but rather who we have become" Isn't it very possible that the others have hand picked the captives to become functional members of the other society?

GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

your right!! my wife mentioned that last night, Jack did get his a$$ handed to him pretty easily!!! I wonder if that ties into the polar bears at all? I mean, they obviously were running experiments on the bears prior to their release/escape (ie sawyer figuring out how to get food).

"The Others" are clearly 10 steps ahead of the survivors. But why Sawyer, Jack, and Kate? What do they possess? I mean, as far as skills, wouldnt Locke and Sayid be better choices? They specialize in survival. Plus, Sayid already is ruthless, im sure "the others" could use a bit more of that!!!!

One thing I noted....Juliet and Ben CLEARLY don't agree on much, and that is what is going to be crucial for the tide to sway Jack/Kate/Sawyer's way!!!

[TonyS]

Why was Jack so engrossed in finding out the name of the guy that his ex-wife left him for? Didn't it seem that he was in real doubt when he married her? Didn't it seem that he was falling pretty quickly for the Italian woman whose father he tried to save? Then why the break-down over his losing his wife for someone else? Was it that he felt that there was something that he had not fixed? Or is his wife somehow connected to the Dharma group? For example, How did Juliette know so quickly that she was "happy" now in her new life?

And by now its pretty obvious that Kate cares more for Sawyer than she does for Jack; is Jack being shafted again on the romantic front? What is it about Jack that while he has all the responsibility, he never seems to get a break on the happiness front?

And what about Julliette...doesn't seem that she is overly caring to Jack? or is that part of the mind games to break him down? Did we all sense the tension between her and Henry Gale? Are/were they a couple and is he upset over her attention to Jack?

Thoughts?

[TonyS]

Originally Posted by toeny

I just found this forum and have a feeling that I may be here rather frequently now. It is very possible that the captives don't remember their interrogations because Claire couldn't remember any of what happend during her time of captivity.

Also does anyone else think that perhaps in their quest for utopia and experiments with the animals that they may have give some gene altering formula to the others? Ethan kicked the crap out of Jack like he was superman, Julliet knocked Jack out in a single punch. And Julliet also eluded to the fact that "it's not who we were, but rather who we have become" Isn't it very possible that the others have hand picked the captives to become functional members of the other society?

GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

that's an excellent point-you're right, how did Jullitte knock out Jack with a single punch? On the other hand, if she was super strong, how did he over power her to begin with?

[bladerunna]

wow - just seen it

if only the tailies went the other way round the island - we could have seen this before...

[toeny]

I am pretty sure that Ben (Henry) and Juliette were a couple that recently split up. She was obviously upset about something in the begining and made a point to say that she was the host who picked the book for discussion. Someone said Ben wouldn't have read this in the bathroom. She said something to the effect that Ben was no longer their or something. ANd then when the plane blew up Ben said, "I guess I am no longer in the book club.

[crash_tester]

This was somewhat disappointing to me. First the Others were a mysterious bunch, then we get all this info dumped in at one time. It takes some of the suspense out of it, suspense being one of the reasons the show has been good. Jack's storyline is getting better, showing more of him than just the 'good guy' role - every character needs a certain amount of good and bad to be believable. The Juliet character and actress are just boring - she has all the warmth and sex appeal of an iceberg. Sawyer should have died in Season 2 - the depth of a sheet of paper, and an actor with just as much ability.

If this is the main direction the writers are going in, this will drop off my radar rather quickly.

[articman]

Originally Posted by TonyS

Why was Jack so engrossed in finding out the name of the guy that his ex-wife left him for? Didn't it seem that he was in real doubt when he married her? Didn't it seem that he was falling pretty quickly for the Italian woman whose father he tried to save? Then why the break-down over his losing his wife for someone else? Was it that he felt that there was something that he had not fixed? Or is his wife somehow connected to the Dharma group? For example, How did Juliette know so quickly that she was "happy" now in her new life?

And by now its pretty obvious that Kate cares more for Sawyer than she does for Jack; is Jack being shafted again on the romantic front? What is it about Jack that while he has all the responsibility, he never seems to get a break on the happiness front?

And what about Julliette...doesn't seem that she is overly caring to Jack? or is that part of the mind games to break him down? Did we all sense the tension between her and Henry Gale? Are/were they a couple and is he upset over her attention to Jack?

Thoughts?

Ok chalk this on for size and tell me what you think... First lets discuss the Jack thing. I think in all honesty he would act exactly like that. Why might you ask. Because anyone who feels a loss like that. (I.E. his wife leaving him) wants to know why and who replaced him. He wants to know what does this guy have and I don't. See this kiss from the Italian women was really nothing. I just think he was to emotionaly attached to his work. Julliette just said what he wanted to hear. That's all. To relax him and calm him down. I don't think she cares anything for him. Just another ploy to get what they want.

2 now for the Sawyer and Kate twist. I don't know, I think no matter how much I would like kate to end up with Sawyer, I think he reminds her too much of her father which she killed. I think that will always stop her from being with him. I think they will be close but thats it.

Also you have Julliette putting the moves on jack, I think this is more of an others mind F*&* They are playing with all of them for one reason or another. This no one has told us yet.